Five years after the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, do you think that country is better off than it was under Saddam Hussein?

recently put to Iraqis, might surprise.

http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/03/p...

 

Heck the casualty rate of Iraqis the past five years from this 'war' has rivaled the numbers Saddam brutally killed. Even today many Iraqis lack the basic resources necessary. After five long years there still isn't any guarantee of stability or peace. That does not count as better off in my book.

 

and being kidnaped and brutaly tortured to death.
http://wonkette.com/politics/somalia/mission-accom...

 

Sorry but, I must to correct you. The question in these pool is:

"Five years after the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, do you think that country is better off than it was under Saddam Hussein?"

The question in the pool you pinted is:

Life in Irak improved?

If you read the link, on that minuscle new that you provide
http://www.abcnews.go.com/images/PollingUnit/1060a1IraqWhereThingsStand.pdf

The question is close but is not the same, because your pool is about the last 6 months, not the last 5 years. JT pool question the effects of the US invasion and the ABC art question the efects of the surge. I think that many agree that that are two diferents things.

Im sure that you never tried to deceive JT readers. Only self-deception. What a pity. The same misleading views that made people support the Invasion of Irak in first place. Have to be hard accept reality. I guess that irakies never are going to see an apology for the unnecesary bloodbath.

 

Iraq isn't better off five years after the war started.

 

Of course it's better! Statues of Saddam Hussein have been pulled down, and freedom is growing.

Those who say it's not better have offered zero proof to back up their claims. Gentlemen, if you want to be convincing, you need to offer proof that will stand up in a court of law. Haven't seen any yet.

 

Iraqis were hitting it with their shoes. Guess they were Shiite Iraqis.

Most Iraqis say even with all the violence ( which has been reduced in recent months ) they wouldn't go back to the Saddam days. Most of those Iraqis are probably Shiites too...

 

you forgot to add the americans are now the ones living in saddams palaces. five more years of this the USA living standards will be the same as iraq not the other way about. this is a war fought with money the USA does not have or has the abaility to pay back

 

Euraj: I agree this is a premature question.

Try the following questions:

After war there is always a power-vacuum, and always in-fighting about who will fill the void. There is always the misery of re-building. Iraq will smooth-out, eventually.
Do any optimists ever post on this site?

 

Next time show more patience with diplomacy, in place of jump to the war wagon.

 

After 5 years under the "bless" of the US protecction and teachings about how the use of violence resolve problems and bring hapiness to the world.
Estimates of the number of people killed range from over 150,000 to more than 1 million.
Millons of irakies displaced.
Turkey regularly bomb the north of Irak, because the best irakies, the kurds, send terrorists inside Turkey to blow turkish soldiers.
Iran is stronger and have a greater influence in former rival Irak.
The US is arming militias whose loyalty have more to do with money than with ideology, because is the "lesser evil", even when they easely can turn to a problem for a peaceful, unified and democratic Irak.

If 5 years is not enogh time for the mighty US empire for secure peace, freedom and democracy. Can you tell us how many years you think that is enough? 10 years? 20 Years? In that time, how many irakies more are going to die? And the US dont want to get out of Irak ASAP? You say that the US is going out before solve the mess? Waithing for a more credible answer.

 

I've never really supported the war, but I'm not blind enough to not see that a problem has been created that's going to take more than five years to solve. These Iraqis are going to be fighting for decades, and that's a fight that was destined to come whether the Americans brought the battle out or not.

Right now, however, the country is not in a position where the United States can take off. Even an Anti-war Lib should be able to understand that.

 

"For those who think it's not better: How many loved ones did you lose on 9/11?"

None, but what did 9/11 have to do with Iraq? Very little or nothing, as even the Pentagon recently concluded. In your strange, knee-jerk, tersely worded comments, you're always demanding from others that they show "proof that stands up in a court of law". There isn't proof that could stand up in a court of garbage to support the idea that Iraq played even a marginal role in the events of 9/11.

My hunch is that you know this, and you're just trying to get a rise out of others.

 

Why havent the irqis ever had a civil war untill the US invasion???

Answer.. Go watch FULL METAL ALCHAMIST in japanese with english sub and then you shal reach inlightment.

 

All what I hear from the US is "yeah! the irakies are a bunch that want to kill each other, is unavoidable, they do it even if we dont are there, soner or later".
The only diference is that some people try to run away of their responsability and let Irak self-destruct and other people try to avoid the self-destruccion but keep avoiding to recognize any responsability in free the forces of the internal conflict.

The reason why the US fail to inspire the atmosphere of peace and unity, is that, in the mind of the irakies, the US only inspired the idea that imposse your beliefs by the use of force is ok. There is a critical moral contradiction in the "US speech to the irakies". Is like a TV preacher: "Do what I say, not what I do.". The US must to recover credibility and the first step is recognize the mistake of the invasion. The longer that the US fail to recognize their rol model, the US example of "the end justify the means" remains in Irak.

People are going to say that I am to naive talking about moral, that war is all about money. But moral, religion and nationalism are the reasons why people fight or die for. If the US dont set a moral position that irakies can believe and follow, no matter how good your intentions are or how much money you put, no one is truly going to figth for your cause based on lies and hypocricy.